Curse

Daesu · Apr 01, 2012, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Too bad our old prophecies characters cannot go back to pre-searing and earn their "Legendary Defender of Ascalon" title, through the new quests, anymore. At the time when these characters were created, the new LDoA quests didn't exist and getting LDoA was too much of a pain, but now getting the title is a lot easier.

Unfortunately, we can't go back in time into pre-searing to acquire the LDoA title through these quests. I wish there is a time machine that would allow us to do that (like they have done for the April Fool's day...), but make that feature permanent.

Each character can only use that time machine once to earn LDoA and when they have returned from pre-searing, they can't go back to pre-searing anymore. When they are in pre-searing they are back to level 1 with starter armor, so they legitimately earn their LDoA title from there just like any other new character.

When they have returned to post-searing, all their stuff (inventory items, skills, attributes, equipment, etc.) are restored.

This will make the path toward GWAMM as fair to the older characters. There is no reason to be biased against older characters when it comes to attaining GWAMM. Right now, there is just no way for post-searing prophecies characters to get LDoA if they did not get it during their pre-searing days. In fact, my characters were created and progressed into post-searing before the LDoA title even existed! This means if I want to make them GWAMM, I have to lose out on a title.

Ting Lafal · Apr 01, 2012, 08:35 PM // 20:35

It would make absolutely no sense storywise or any other way.

SpiritThief · Apr 01, 2012, 08:45 PM // 20:45

How about make a new character.

Get LoDA

Then when exiting pre, have the character die during the searing (deleted) while be able to pass the title on to one other prop born.

Zenzai · Apr 01, 2012, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Another one of these? No. The point is to get to lv20 before leaving.

LanaDarkess · Apr 01, 2012, 09:15 PM // 21:15

You will find there have been suggestions like this before.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...tml?t=10502907

The search function is there to help you.

Also; the game is not biased against older characters. Saying that is ridiculous. Once you leave pre, that's it. The story progresses and the world changes.

Daesu · Apr 01, 2012, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by SpiritThief

How about make a new character.

Get LoDA

Then when exiting pre, have the character die during the searing (deleted) while be able to pass the title on to one other prop born.

That would work for me too, if ANet decides to go with this approach.

Eragon Selene · Apr 01, 2012, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Zenzai

Another one of these? No. The point is to get to lv20 before leaving.

This may be true but in years past LDOA was 10x harder to obtain then it is today.

The titles is actualy tranished just like Legndary Survivor..........its doesnt even impress me anymore. Anet ruind those two titles.

Daesu · Apr 01, 2012, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Zenzai

Another one of these? No. The point is to get to lv20 before leaving.

Unfortunately back in 2005 when the characters were created, it was a pain getting to level 20 and there was no incentive to do so. Titles did not exist then.

If only I knew the future then...

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Also; the game is not biased against older characters. Saying that is ridiculous. Once you leave pre, that's it. The story progresses and the world changes.

If they have told us that there would be such things as titles and we would be giving up on LDoA when we leave pre, we could have made an informed decision. But obviously they didn't tell us.

jcegt87 · Apr 01, 2012, 09:22 PM // 21:22

great do like surivor title ...i disagreed with survivor and i disagree with this,

Daesu · Apr 01, 2012, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by jcegt87

great do like surivor title ...i disagreed with survivor and i disagree with this,

I agree with the survivor title update because people should be given enough information for them to make informed decision.

If you dont tell us that we would be giving up on a future LDoA title when we left pre back in early 2005, how is that our fault? You can't blame people for not knowing the future if ANet chooses not to communicate their plans, or have no plans concerning titles, at that time. We can't read minds and we can't foretell the future, you know.

It is just not reasonable for anyone to assume that we should all be able to foretell the future on our own.

Spiritz · Apr 01, 2012, 09:30 PM // 21:30

How the heck can getting ldoa make gwamm easier ?
Swear it never said in the fine print you need ldoa to become gwamm - must read it again.
Ldoa is about the only title left in gw that still earns respect - there isnt any real shortcuts to get it unlike survivor.Theres players about who have gwamm on multiple chrs with or without ldoa.Ldoa takes time to get and that is the only reason it gets respect and giving players a chane to go bk in time and get it - totally devalues the title.
I go for the option of leaving it alone and if wanted so bad do what many others do and have suggested - roll a new pre chr.

Daesu · Apr 01, 2012, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

How the heck can getting ldoa make gwamm easier ?

How would getting LDoA make getting GWAMM easier? Because GWAMM requires getting 30 maxed titles and LDoA would be counted as one of them.

Although technically, you can go for other titles instead of LDoA but it would mean losing the extra option of that title, to pursue GWAMM and there are not that many other options as a PvEer.

How would allowing players to go back at level 1 with starter gear and empty inventory devalue the title? They would have to work their way back to level 20 in pre-searing just like any other new character.

Personally I have created many new characters and gotten LDoA with them, but I would prefer my older characters to be GWAMM as I have played with them for a long time.

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 01, 2012, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I agree with the survivor title update because people should be given enough information for them to make informed decision.

If you dont tell us that we would be giving up on a future LDoA title when we left pre back in early 2005, how is that our fault? You can't blame people for not knowing the future if ANet chooses not to communicate their plans, or have no plans concerning titles, at that time. We can't read minds and we can't foretell the future, you know.

It is just not reasonable for anyone to assume that we should all be able to foretell the future on our own.

Two or three of my Characters were created before anyone knew that you could get to 20 in pre. One, my main, is a GWAMM (with 34 titles maxed). There are plenty of other options for a character to get GWAMM, so LDoA on an older character isn't neccessary that way. Nor is it neccessary to get LDoA + all the other titles on the same character since the HoM, for GW2 purposes is account-wide.

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drkn · Apr 01, 2012, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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This will make the path toward GWAMM as fair to the older characters. There is no reason to be biased against older characters when it comes to attaining GWAMM.

The age factor of the old characters actually evens the whole issue out.
What i mean is - if you have an old character, like 3+ years old, it means you've been playing this game for a while now, thus getting GWAMM without LDoA shouldn't be an issue for you, at least with your primary character.
The new vanguard quests were introduced to encourage newcomers get more titles, and work their way towards GWAMM, and to add something to do for perma-pre characters. It was never meant as a shortcut to GWAMM for older players, however small shortcut it might be, simply because it's not necessary.

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Unfortunately back in 2005 when the characters were created, it was a pain getting to level 20 and there was no incentive to do so. Titles did not exist then.

So you're against the developer changing their own game, or adding stuff post-release? Because this is what essentially happened, first with addition of titles, then with addition of LDoA in recognition of what players did on their own, not for any reward, and recently with addition of vanguard quests.
It's natural that online games change and evolve a bit. It's natural that older players often find it unfair (compare the new Wintersday quests' rewards), that new mechanics and skills appear to be overpowered, broken (compare the post-NF power creep), that the new path taken by the devs is perceived as a derailment from the glorified original intention (grinding for titles? bah!). Yet those old players may do only one thing, really - suck it up and live with it.

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Ldoa is about the only title left in gw that still earns respect - there isnt any real shortcuts to get it unlike survivor.Theres players about who have gwamm on multiple chrs with or without ldoa.Ldoa takes time to get and that is the only reason it gets respect and giving players a chane to go bk in time and get it - totally devalues the title.

You can get LDoA in about ~8 hours of grinding after you get to level 10 and obtain Farmer Hamnet quest. Seems like you've missed some updates.

I'd actually do something else - make LDoA and Survivor mutually exclusive on one character, so that you can either grind in pre or grind boxing. This way people who never had the chance to get LDoA with their very old primary characters will not feel at a loss, and the recent changes made to pre won't give that much advantage.

Bottom line: my main GWAMM mesmer has neither Survivor nor LDoA titles.

Daesu · Apr 01, 2012, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Two or three of my Characters were created before anyone knew that you could get to 20 in pre. One, my main, is a GWAMM (with 34 titles maxed). There are plenty of other options for a character to get GWAMM, so LDoA on an older character isn't neccessary that way. Nor is it neccessary to get LDoA + all the other titles on the same character since the HoM, for GW2 purposes is account-wide.

Like I have said, I know there are other titles to get GWAMM. Assuming you already have survivor (thanks for the update, ANet), you can only go with Sweet tooth (spammable sweets are harder to obtain in bulk than Alcohol or spammable party items), or max an account-wide title (extremely grindy and/or expensive). There are not many choices out there without considering LDoA.

The game is broken when older characters are basically not allowed to get LDoA because they were created and left pre before the concept of titles existed in this game. I don't understand all these bias against older players and their characters.

Eragon Selene · Apr 01, 2012, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Like I have said, I know there are other titles to get GWAMM. Assuming you already have survivor (thanks for the update, ANet), you can only go with Sweet tooth (spammable sweets are harder to obtain in bulk than Alcohol or spammable party items), or max an account-wide title (extremely grindy and/or expensive). There are not many choices out there without considering LDoA.

The game is broken when older characters are basically not allowed to get LDoA because they were created and left pre before the concept of titles existed in this game. I don't understand all these bias against older players and their characters.

• Cartographer(Prof, Factions, NightFall)=3
• Guardian(Prof, Factions, NightFall)=3
• Protector(Prof, Factions, NightFall)=3
• Skill Hunter(Prof, Factions, NightFall)=3 (this can be bought with Elite Tomes)
• Vanquisher(Prof, Factions, NightFall)=3

15 easy titles which gain you the Legendarys......

• Legendary Cartographer • Legendary Guardian • Legendary Skill Hunter(lazy way=tomes) • Legendary Vanquisher =4 more

• Sweet Tooth • Drunkard • Party Animal=4 (ok so these will cost you coin....but require NO grind)

• Lightbringer • Sunspear =2

• Asura • Deldrimor • Ebon Vanguard • Master of the North • Norn =5

• Lucky • Treasure Hunter• Unlucky • Wisdom • Kurzick • Luxon=6 not required to reach 30.....

And I dont have LDoA or Survivor listed......my point is this, dont QQ saying changing LDOA makes "GWAMM" less grind. I did my first GWAMM old school with no Survivor or LDOA. He has 32 maxed titles and close on Unlucky/Treasure Hunter and Wisdom without trying which will make 35......still no Survivor. I did Kirzick and Luxon both old school in AB or speed clears 600/smite before the nerf.

The games not broke..........just some of the people playing it.

ACWhammy · Apr 02, 2012, 12:14 AM // 00:14

What they should've done was keep survivor and ldoa mutually exclusive.

Instead what they did was allow people with ldoa to get survivor, but not vice versa.

So if someone crazy wants to get as many titles as possible on one character (like me), they now have to start all over and start with ldoa.

So sure, if you're going to allow someone to get survivor after ldoa, might as well allow us survivors to get ldoa as well.

But who really cares? The achievements in this game have become so de-valued over the years it doesn't much make any difference anymore.

Showtime · Apr 02, 2012, 12:54 AM // 00:54

people are asking for more grind? gw2/d3 can not come soon enough.

Daesu · Apr 02, 2012, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Eragon Selene

And I dont have LDoA or Survivor listed......my point is this, dont QQ saying changing LDOA makes "GWAMM" less grind. I did my first GWAMM old school with no Survivor or LDOA. He has 32 maxed titles and close on Unlucky/Treasure Hunter and Wisdom without trying which will make 35......still no Survivor. I did Kirzick and Luxon both old school in AB or speed clears 600/smite before the nerf.

The games not broke..........just some of the people playing it.

Yes yes I am sure we are all in awe of your achievements. Again, learn to READ, like I have already said, it is possible to get GWAMM without LDoA, but the options are very limited or they are grindy and/or highly expensive. The choices are so limited that you only have Sweet Tooth or grind/pay dearly for an account-wide title.

Sure you can go max Kurzick/Luxon, max Lucky/Unlucky, max Treasure Hunter or even Wisdom or PvP. I am just saying that expecting players to max account-wide title is grindy and/or expensive. The other way is to do it through Sweet Tooth, but spammable sweets are harder to obtain in bulk than Alcohol or spammable party items.

Going through LDoA would be a more logical choice and should remain an available choice to characters who have left pre-searing back in early 2005, before titles were even heard of, in this game. It is not reasonable to penalize them just because they couldn't have known about the future back then. If newer characters have that option, the same options should be available to those older characters too.

Guillotine Princess · Apr 02, 2012, 01:39 AM // 01:39

/not signed..........create another character instead.